
One of the trendy topics right now is whether
the 2009
The Saints are undefeated and putting up numbers at a historic pace, so the discussion was bound to come up. I am here to tell you that the New England Patriots were a vastly superior offense, and it really is not even that close.
This is the world we are in today. Someone or
some team starts putting up big numbers and it is the best ever. I'm going to
remind people how much better the 2007
1) Tom Brady vs. Drew Brees - It is not even close. New Orleans Saints QB Drew
Brees is on pace to complete 362 passes in 530 attempts for 4,672 yards, 34
touchdowns, 14 picks, and a QB rating of 106.1. New England Patriots QB Tom
Brady completed 398 passes in 578 attempts for 4,860 yards, 50 touchdown
passes, seven interceptions and a QB rating of 117.2.
Brady was superior in every facet of the
game. Slightly better completion percentage, more completions, more attempts,
more passing yards, way more passing touchdowns and a much better QB rating.
Brees has 17 touchdowns and seven picks
through his first eight games. Brady had 30 touchdown passes and two picks in
his first eight games. Brady also had at least three touchdown passes in every
game over the first eight games of his schedule. Brees has already been held
out of the end zone twice and has had only one touchdown pass in two other
games.
Brady's 2007 season is light years ahead of
Brees, both in terms of the first eight games and where Brees is projected to
end up. The statistics show that it is not even close.
2) Randy Moss vs. Marques Colston - Teams worry about Saints WR Marques
Colston this year. Teams were terrified of Patriots WR Randy Moss in
2007.
Colston leads this team with 37 receptions for 596 yards and six
touchdowns. WR Wes Welker, who was the second best receiver on that
Patriots’ team, had 56 receptions for 613 yards and six touchdown receptions in
his first eight games alone. Moss was the Patriots’ leading receiver that year
with 47 receptions for 779 yards and 11 touchdowns in the same span. He would
go on to set a NFL record with 23 receiving touchdowns that year.
The Patriots duo of Moss and Welker put up
much better numbers than anybody on the New Orleans Saints. The league had
never seen anything like Moss in the 2007 season.
The Saints are winning with a variety of
weapons, but they do not have the superstar ability that the Patriots had on
that team, especially at the receiver position.
3) The Numbers - The reason why the Saints offense is being
put in the same conversation as the Patriots is the total points scored. The
Patriots scored 589 points in their 2007 season and the Saints are on pace to
score 606 points this season. Keep in mind the Patriots exploded for 331 points
in their first eight games or 41.3 points per game. They scored 34 points or
more in all eight of their contests to start that season.
The Saints have not been as consistent. They
were held to 27 points against
The one area the Saints have the Patriots
beat is in total yards gained. The Patriots averaged 411.3 yards per game
gained as opposed to the Saints 426.9 yards per game. The reason for that is
that even though the Saints are not the same passing offense as the Patriots,
they rush the ball better.
The Saints are tied for third in rushing
attempts per game (32.4), fifth in rushing yards per game (144.6) and lead the
NFL in rushing touchdowns (15). The Patriots, on the other hand, rushed the
ball only 28.2 times per game, gained only 115.6 yards per game on the ground
and scored only 17 rushing touchdowns all year.
Both teams used a committee of running backs,
but the Saints have clearly had the better offensive balance through the first
eight games, but that gets me to my next argument.
4) The Schedule - Everyone knows that the AFC East was
terrible in 2007. The
They had to play against the Dallas Cowboys,
who finished 13-3 that year and earned the No. 1 Seed in the NFC. They played
the San Diego Chargers, who finished 11-5 and made the AFC Championship Game.
They played the Cleveland Browns, who finished with 10 wins that season. They
also played the Washington Redskins, who finished 9-7 and earned a NFC wildcard
bid. They beat those teams by a combined score of 172-65. Overall, their first
eight opponents had a 62-58 record for the season (removes the eight losses
those teams all suffered to the Patriots).
It is a little tougher to do the same thing
for the Saints, because we do not know how these teams will finish. It could be
some of these bad teams on their remaining schedule rebound, or it could be
that the good teams collapse. The Saints have faced only three teams so far
that have a record over .500.
They played the (5-3) Eagles in Week Two
without QB Donovan McNabb, who missed the game with a broken rib. They
absolutely destroyed a (5-4) New York Giants 48-27 in what has been their most
impressive win of the season. They beat the (5-3) Atlanta Falcons 35-27 in the
Superdome. Overall, their opponents have a record of 29-28 (removes the eight
losses those teams all suffered to the Saints).
I think the schedule shows that the Patriots
played a lot tougher competition in their first eight games than the Saints
have played in their first eight games. I think the Saints were impressive
against the Giants and the Patriots, but the Patriots basically did the same
thing in four games, not just two.
Looking ahead, the Saints play the (1-7)
I think when it is all said and done, even
though the Patriots played in an inferior division, they also will have had the
more difficult schedule. The Saints have benefited from the Buccaneers and
Panthers underachieving this year, combined with a last-place schedule they
inherited from their (8-8) season in 2008. The Patriots, on the other hand, had
a first-place schedule (in ’07) due to their 12-4 season in 2006.
5) New England vs. The Superdome - Let's not forget that
That is going to be a major advantage for the
Saints. If you look at the prolific offenses of the last 30 years, most of them
played in nice environments.
The 1998 Minnesota Vikings scored 556 points
playing eight games in the Metrodome. The 1999-2001 St. Louis Rams played on
the “Greatest Show on Turf” in the Edward Jones Dome. The 2004 Indianapolis
Colts played in a dome. The 1984 Miami Dolphins played in the
Could you name a dominant offense other than
the 2007 Patriots that played in a cold weather city? The only recent team I
could think of was the 1998 Denver Broncos, who averaged 31.3 points per game,
which barely put them over 500 points for that season. As good as Brett
Favre did in
You just do not normally see high-scoring
teams playing in cold weather places. Cold weather cities are known for their
tough and intimidating defenses. When they talk about the Monsters of the
Midway, they aren't talking about a 50 -touchdown passing Chicago Bears
quarterback. The Purple People Eaters are not Vikings QB Fran
Tarkenton and his three wide receivers. Cold weather cities are known
for Hall of Fame running backs and top line defenses.
The two things that have amazed me most when
it comes to passing numbers are:
1)
Favre being
able to hold every single passing record playing the majority of his career in
2)
The 2007 New England Patriots being able to
set the offensive records they did playing in a place that is know for cold and
snow.
As always, it is too early to tell. The Saints
could just be warming up and be ready to give us a show we have never seen
before, and in eight weeks, I may be eating my words.
I just think that 2007 Patriots team had a
rock star quality to it that I have not seen yet out of the 2009 New Orleans
Saints. Maybe that was because they won three Super Bowls prior to that season,
or maybe it was because of Brady and Moss's start power before that season, but
my vote still goes with the Patriots based on what I have seen as of today.
We will revisit this at the end of the season
and see how it panned out.


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Is it conceivable that the New Orleans Saints could go 19-0, but the Patriots offense was better. I think that is possible.
I personally do not think the Saints will go undefeated. The Patriots had the 4th ranked yardage defense and the 4th ranked scoring defense. The Saints are currently 17th in points allowed and 16th in yards allowed. I think both the Cowboys and the Patriots will have a good chance to knock the Saints off. I think the Falcons playing at home will have a good shot too.
Again, if the Saints go 16-0 and come close to or break the Patriots record I think it is worth revisiting this topic. Until then I was more impressed with the first eight games the Patriots played. I think the Saints have a lot of work to do to reach the level of that team in terms of regular season dominance.
I wrote an article about a year ago saying that the spygate incident was going to be a taint on The Hood's legacy. I stand by that. But I also think that Bill Belichick was not the only coach doing that, he was just the only one to get caught.
You are always going to have people that will not recognize the Patriots season because of the allegations brought against them. I just don't think that is fair to what those guys did on the field. Had the 2009 Rams done the same thing they still would be 1-8. You need players to make plays.
There should be a way that reasonable fans can divide what the Patriots did on the field and what Belichick did that was against the rules. That's the approach that I try to take with them.
Brady's season was awesome, but Brees compares favorably to Brady in any year but that one.
I couldn't care less which team has the better offense. Do you feel that Brady would rather have that offensive title or a Super Bowl ring from that failed season? New Orleans is winning. Is that not enough?
I think Brady would rather have the Super Bowl that year. That isn't the point. The article was looking at two good offenses and comparing the two.
You look at who the Pats played and beat in the first eight games (all prior to their week 10 bye), and the Saints just haven't had a comparable schedule.
Week 2 they beat a Chargers team that would finish 11-5 and meet them in the AFC championship game. Week 6 they beat a Cowboys team that would finish 13-3 and as the number one seed in the NFC. They beat those two teams by a margin of 86-41.
In the first eight, New Orleans has struggled against Carolina and Miami, and hasn't blown out other opponents in the way in which the Pats were taking everybody down, and there's not a whole lot to suggest that New Orleans has had opponents of greater quality.
Week 9 is what impressed me about the Patriots. 8-0 and heading into Indy to play an undefeated Colts team (that, mind you, finished all of 13 points away from an undefeated season of their own, and that includes the last game against Tennessee in which most of their starters saw limited playing time), and the Pats pull one out for a 24-20 win.
We haven't seen anything like that of the Saints yet. We haven't seen them play anybody of that caliber, and I don't even know that they will play anybody of that caliber. People tend to forget just how good the Colts were that year, and for New England to take it to 9-0 over them was an incredible feat. Take away that one Peyton Manning fumble in the game's final minutes, and the Colts are heading into week 17 just one field goal short of being 15-0 themselves (they lost by two points to the Chargers).
Spygate had nothing to do with those wins.
So yes, I will concede that Brady and the Patriots had a better passing offense. Can you concede that the Brees and the Saints have had a better total offense?
The Saints PPG has benefited from defensive TDs, but the Patriots offense benefited from Belichick's philosophy to beat the **** out of every opponent throwing all over the field in the 4th quarter up +20, rather than sitting and running with a lead like the Saints have done.
In the Saints defense Thomas and Bell have been banged up at different times too. I also say injuries are part of the game. The numbers do not lie, the 09 Saints run the ball better than the 07 Patriots.
As for this question about overall offense, the Patriots averaged 41.1 points per game in their first 10 games. The Saints are at 37.9. That is a big enough gap to make this statement. The gap between the Patriots passing offense and Saints passing offense is greater than the gap between the Patriots running game and the Saints running game. Therefore I believe the Patriots had the better overall offense in the first half of the season. Time will tell what happens in the second half.
You bring up the running up the score arguement. First, I don't believe there is such a thing as running up the score at the pro level, these guys get paid $100.00 million dollars as a team to play as a team and if they cannot stop someone, too bad. It's punk to do that in high school, but the pros I do not feel sorry for.
Second, the Bills showed people why you can never count someone out. Up 35-3 the Oilers blew that lead in less than a half playing the Bills backup QB, Reich.
You can't leave Brady in there to play at 50%, that is how injuries happen and if you remember the Miami game you took Brady out and had to put him back in, because the Dolphins went on a run. Nobody wants to blow a big lead and then have to put starters back in.
When you tell the offense to take it's foot off the gas, the defense is not going to maintain the level of energy they need. Bad things happen to teams that quit games early.
I looked at the scores and most of the Saints points have come with the game still in some doubt. I look at the Patriots and I think the only game you can really aruge the ran it up was the Redskins game. I the Redskins game Brady had a pass to Welker in the fourth quarter to make it 45-0. The next 7 were scored by the backup, Cassel.
The Patriots running up the score every week arguement does not hold a lot of water to me. I just think they were so good they could score at will every week, something the Saints are close to doing, but have not shown yet, demonstrated by how they played the Bils and Jets.